gohan was simply overpowered power wise, and that is how it is in every dub and manga, not just funi. So Goku and Gotenks should be near equals for that matter. GOKU!!! "I may be just a pothole in the road to you big guy, but it's going to be one hell of a deep pothole." The gap may not exist at all. It is entirely possible that Kid Buu is stronger, and more formidable in many ways. wrong. Then people say Goku was scared of Super Buu. what? He said "Gohan can handle you now". Mystic Gohan>>Super Buu=SSj3 Gotenks>>>SSj Gotenks (Post-RoSaT)>>>SSj3 Goku. what temper? It was completely one sided. gohan was beaten because his power wasnt great enough. Here's why: after fighting Majin Buu, Goku implied that an even stronger warrior than him was coming. You guys may also be forgetting how Gotenks has a significant amount of fighting potential. Gohan thrashed Super Buu. it is very annoying. Mystic Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks >= Super Buu ~ Super Janemba > SSJ3 Goku > Kid Buu ~ SSJ Gotenks (post-rosat) > SSJ Gotenks (pre-rosat) > Fat Buu ~ Fat Janemba, SSJ3 Goku > Mystic Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks >= Super Buu ~ Super Janemba >> Kid Buu ~ SSJ Gotenks (post-rosat) > SSJ Gotenks (pre-rosat) > Fat Buu ~ Fat Janemba, No. Hirudegarn beats out both SSJ3 Goku and Ultimate Gohan in terms of strength. Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ1 Gotenks = SSJ3 Goku. Besides, in Z he doesn't go SSJ after he's been ultimatized because his full power has been released, thus power amplification transformations such as SSJ and SSJ2 have no room anymore, as he can't get any stronger. That is fact. Even though he knows of them. Chapter 507 page 12 Goku says "even though hes back to normal hes still far too strong for us" Goku clearly states that even working together with Vegeta that buu could still defeat them, this is the same buu that Gohan absolutely destroyed. So no matter what quotes you have or what the anime series says, Goku killed Buu and Gohan did nothing really but die along with Earth. . Anyways, debate will get you nowhere because someone can always pull more speculation out, so that was just a summary of points. Ultimate Gohan is stronger than that movie's Goku. Wouldnt Goku have fought if he felt that he could win? He just wasted time and fucked everything up. only because they were too small to do anything. They were not equals. Thaddeuspawlett78. I think that the Ultamite Gohan is barely stronger than Ssj3 Goku. Again, we have them as equal. I...am Supreme Gohan! Goku [Ssj3] + Vegeta [Ssj2] vs Ultimate Gohan + Gotenks - May 8, 15; Buutenks vs Ultimate Gohan, Gotenks SSjin3, Goku SSjin3, Vegeta SSjin Enraged - Apr 1, 14; So i wanna know how the fight would go if ssj3 glku from dragon ball super fought ultimate gohan from DBZ. 04:05, August 20, 2011 (UTC), "A full powered version of a ssj3 Goku could've beaten Gohan.". He wasn't smiling, he was serious, goku also said they were no match for his strenght, See when vegito got absorbed and goku and vegeta ventured inside of buu. The level of power goes like this: Ultimate Gohan > Gotenks SSJ3 > Goku SSJ3 > Majin Vegeta. Now one other notible thing is when Buutenks reverted to Piccolo Buu. assuming the same multipliers, gohans still stronger as long as goku has no ssj4. Where . Just kidding I eat shit. Just to make my opinion absolutely clear, Gohan is stronger then Goku at the end of the buu saga.Jpark0015 16:07, August 30, 2011 (UTC). You saying your smarter than me has no basis, and saying "thousands of times weaker" just proves how much of an iidot you are. Ultimate Gohan vs Goku ssj4-Dbz Budokai Tenkaichi 2. ssj3 is only 4 times stronger than ssj2. Dele. However, the level of power changes when Goku ascends to SSJ3. When super buu is transforming back into kid buu, goku and vegeta both state that his power is increasing. so what? Super Buu was just Bad Buu that absorbed the Good Buu. . Why should I think your anything but a troll with your retarted, uneducated comments. Then when buu absorbed piccolo and gotenks, his power level was the same as gohan, but he had piccolo's smarts. Goku's the man's father & he still grabbed Vegeta over him when kid buu destroyed earth, fully knowing which would better a better aid in the final battle against kid buu. How bad of a stomp it is depends on how you scale Gotenks but whether you're conservative and say he's relative to Goku, or go all in and say he doesn't even compare to SSJ Gotenks, Gohan doesn't spend to much time with his pops. Goku's Super Saiyan powers are completely revamped, but nonetheless much more powerful. 07:28, October 22, 2011 (UTC), Haha Supreme trust you to point out the plot hole of SSJ3 Goku being stronger than Ultimate Gohan. if both android 17 and perfect cell can defeat freeza, this doesnt mean cell = 17. from what we KNOW, base gotenks is more powerful than ssj3 goku whos equal to goku. Kid Buu then pushed it back until SSJ Goku's power plus the spirit bomb's power(including the bulk of everyone's power) was enough. thats why he was ssj3 in just a week of training and thats why he kicks goku's ass. 17:27, October 25, 2011 (UTC), Gohan=buutenks > gotenks ss3 =superbuu >kid buu > goku ss3 > fat buu > ss2 vegeta, Elder Kai stated that even if goku and gohan fought together against buutenks they would still lost. Default loss. Explain why Goku would let Gohan beat Piccolo Buu if SSJ3 Goku could defeat him? 0 losses. DBZ ultimate gohan vs ssj3 goku from dragon ball super I know that Ultimate Gohan/Mystic Gohan who fought super buu was stronger than SSJ 3 Goku from Buu saga. and prove it can even be mastered. SSJ3!!! SSJ3 Gotenks wasn't as strong as Super Buu either. goku wanted to wish gohan and gotenks to the battlefield. and so are you. he never thought they could have won. Obviously he was comparing kid buu with buu+goten+trunks+piccolo and he said kid buu was strong or at least equal. It is quiet stupid to say that vegeta was comparing kid buu with fat buu. Now this is about Ultimate Gohan. gohan was immensely strong but not as strong as goku. Goku again said " Darn U!!! Kid Buu, is the original Buu. This is the only thing we have than can draw a clear winner. Kid Buu is the pure Majin Buu. experience be damned. gohan unlocked his full potentiel so it was probably only ssj2.5 he never beat the ssj2 level, theres no such thing as ssj2.5 nor is ssj2 a set power level. So the bottom line is Gohan beats everyone below buutenks, User:Dbzfan999sig 17:59, October 25, 2011 (UTC) Actually this is the order GohanBuuhan. GT is canon you fucking idiot. cell supressed his power. Gohan completely flattens Goku. I think Goku is a more powerful SSJ3 than Gotenks. If his fighting skills hadn't diminished since the Cell games (like Vegeta declared in his skirmish with Dabura), he would have annihilated Dabura, probably in his base form. Considering Piccolo didn't think SSJ Gotenks(Pre Rosat)could stand a chance against Super Buu, yet thinks Base Gotenks(Post Rosat)may pull out a win, it would be safe to say that Gotenks had surpassed his old SSJ level in base.". He achieved and fully mastered SSJ3 in one week. And when did you actually see Super Buu fight hand to hand? Ultimate Gohan was stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, who fought Super Buu, and Goku said he couldnt beat Super Buu, Also it was stated somewhere that Gohan was the strongest non-fused guy by the end of DBZ (interview or something). gohan is the strongest unfused character in dbz stated by AT so stop debating over it and realize:ssj3=unfused and gohan is the strongest unfused character in dbz!Dont think of metioning gotenks..you should know ultimate gohan is stronger than ssj3 gotenks. Search. 28:11. you act like super buu is a pussy and not much of an opponent. . A key thing to note is how long Goku "fought" buutenks, if you look at the begining of Gohans fight with buutenks hes doing great as well however over time Buutenks quickly shows the gap between them. Goku has been training since he defeated kid buu so he has improved his ssj3 a lot. Frankly, Ultimate/Mystic Gohan is just as strong as SSJ3. So Ultimate Gohan is stronger then SS3 Goku. he was most likely fighting seriously, otherwise goku wouldnt have damaged him. Fact is, DBZ would not be what it is without Goku who is the Main character and who will ALWAYS be the best. I agree, as stated in wiki, Gohan, even as Ultimate/Mystic Gohan is able to use SSJ1 and 2, it said that Gohan BARELY USES IT after he became Ultimate/Mystic Gohan. Ssj3 has no limit except if Goku gets tired. Gotenks is a fighting genius?! Piccolo knows that Gotenks' full power at the time(SSJ)couldn't be enough to beat the stronger Buu. Goku even said in the anime himself Gotenks is stronger then him. I'm pretty sure that ssj3 goku is stronger, but if they fought ultimate gohan could win he draw out the battle because of the amout of energy needed to sustain the ssj3 form. ULTIMATE Gohan vs SS3 goku MANGA ONLY Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. so your "proof" is worthless since piccolo was comparing a holding-back goku to a full powered gohan. He also got punked in Dbz against Super Buu. And yet he had a serious face and was nervous while buu was only smiling, I can't make it any simpler than that.Gohan is Supreme, Supreme is Gohan. I always thought it was said that SSJ3 Goku could've rotflstomped Fat Buu had he tried. he was kicking ass. and who died??? So that is why Gohan lost. Ultimate Gohan has more power and agility, but still just barely is stronger than SSJ3EmperorPeelaugh575TalkContrib 02:50, January 11, 2012 (UTC)EmperorPeelaugh575. in funi dub, goku is clearly the strongest besides vegetto because he holds off kid buu whos the strongest of all buus. That's just his lower half. It is important we must stop the debate here as thing r very unclear. if he didnt run out of time he would have wiped super buu out. Goku said, he didn't try his hardest when he fought Fat Buu, but he also said he didn't know if he could win. Think Frieza who survived it at 50 percent power couldn't push it back and Goku was very low on energy at that time as well. thats what they say but hes probably not much stronger than one.. . SSj Gotenks (Pre-RoSaT)=SSj3 Goku (Suppressed power). Kid Buu vs Vegito,Gotenks,Ultimate Gohan,SSj4 Goku. the same reason goku wanted to let gotenks handle fat buu instead of himself. As you recall, when you witness someone achieve a level of SSj, it makes it a hole lot easier to understand how to do it. They said Kid Buu is the difficult one because he's stronger not because he's crazy. vs Buutenks - cries and tries to run away, fail and jobs vs Buucolo - hides behind Gohan. their potential is higher than gohans, practically limitless. 21:31, December 28, 2011 (UTC), In the manga, it is heavily implied tha Ultimate Gohan was stronger. he faced the power of buu, and gotenks and piccolo combined. In Gt, Gohan didn't train and fell behind and he sucks anyway, whereas Goku kept training. The fact is due to the fact he had Piccolo's brain. So, no. Now about spirit bomb and gohan giveing his energy and it wasnt enough. Now, Buutenks, beat Ultimate Gohan pretty badly. First off, I don't remember him saying that. Kid Buu is not "more evil" he and Super Buu wanted to destroy everything so why would the Kai's waste their breathe to say Kid is unrestrained as in more evil more crazy when it really doesn't matter since the outcome would be the same no matter which Buu won. What do you mean Goku had no faith in his power? vegeta says "buu is stronger than i imagined. Goku's transformation was arguablly the hardest (to ssj) and after that it was childs play, not because of natural talent, but because they figured out how to do it from others. And don't try to say I'm a Gotenks fanboy. Sure Goku damaged Kid Buu but Kid Buu was getting stronger as they were fighting and was most likely toying with him just like he was with Vegeta. Ssj3 goku did fight fat buu but didn't lose, it was his first time in this form and he couldn't control his energy spike. But again, In the Wrath of the Dragon, Ultimate Gohan is defeated by Hirudegam who is again defeated by Ssj3 Goku. I go by the FUNimation Dub. (Piccolo was about equal to a SSJ Goku). Well your opinion is wrong. There are a couple times where its implied that Gohan is stronger. Yet he believes a SSJ1 Gotenks can beat Super Buu. There is NO evidence. You are indeed where you belong. goku stated that he could PROBLY beat kid buu( my opinion the strongest buu cause vegeta said his power increased after piccolo, gohan, goten, trunks buu was released). there is no possible way for goku to ever beat gohan. again this is when goku wants the next gen to beat buu, not himself. Comparing Super Buu after he absorbed Gotenks and Mystic Gohan however was like comparing Frieza's third form to Piccolo on Namek. here kid buu is shown to have been damaged by ssj3 goku, an impressive feat. He defeated Kais that were supposed 1000 times stronger than Frieza who was at 60 million at 100 percent and assuming earth had 6 billion people living on it averaging in strength anywhere from 4-10 plus some of Gohan's ten to tens of billions and the Z fighters's combined hundreds of millions probably close to or over half way to a billion with Goku's restored power on top of it when started pushing it back. And we already established this, GT base Goku (or maybe just SSj) = Z Goku SSj3. Goku said Gotenks was stronger then him. 07:16, August 15, 2011 (UTC). Broly Rocks 08:52, August 21, 2011 (UTC). Ultimate gohan could barley hold his own against super buu w/gotenks absorbed. when actually faced with super buu, goku smiled and said dont underestimate me. - SSjin 3 Goku vs Super Buutenks (Full Power) = Fight barely lasts 5 or so minutes, but Goku actually manages to tussle with Buutenks, blast him away with ki (better than anything Gohan managed) and even engage in a super-speed clash. SSJ3 is supposed to be like ten times more powerful than SSJ2 and there's a history of people only twice to 5 times as powerful as their opponents defeating their opponents in mere seconds. that was japanese dub. like gohan vs cell. Anyway, Gohan is just as strong as SSJ3, http://www.mangareader.net/105-3156-12/dragon-ball/chapter-507.html This cleary depicts Goku stating in the manga that he and Vegeta TOGETHER would be unable to defeat Super Buu, the same Buu that Gohan beat the crap out of. Base Gotenks = SSj3 Goku, WTF! While Ultimate Gohan wrecked Super Buu. I think it depends upon which the Ssj3 is. not gohan. Yet SSJ3 Gotenks fought equal with him and almost won until the fusion wore off. Goku might have said that gotenks is powerful but it is evident from this fact that goku was stronger than gohan. 07:16, August 15, 2011 (UTC). Making Gohan lose his confidence to beat him. We all can remember when Gohan way giving a really nice beating to Majin Buu in his very first … Back to the point, Gotenks is HIGHLY unskilled in fighting, and only has an impressive power level. 140 8967 9624 10281 10938 12938 16338 8183 8696 9209 9721 11721 14721 4935 5205 5475 5745 … Here are my lines of argument: 1. ... Bola de Dragón último de Budokai 3 ssj4 gogeta goku vs vegeta broly ssj3 gotenks gohan. For all we know, either one may be stronger. And I think Hirudegarn was either the same or more powerful then Super Buu. super buu definitely would let goku be full power for the sport of a challenging opponent. he didnt actually think gotenks could solo in base. piccolo thought blowing up the door was better than letting gotenks fight more. "wrong. As far as goku looking for a fusing partner is concerned, Goku knew he had to utilize a lot of energy in his ssj3 state to defeat buu. not once did i see him use intelligence or polished fighting skills.". AND kid buu repelled the s bomb so goku needed to go super saiyan just to push the spirit bomb, gotenks > super buu, and goku is stronger than kid buu. And there is proof. he had to in order to be ssj again despite being ultimate in z. its in the gt perfect files. It is obvious that Kid buu is weaker than Super Buu because Goku could na.ot even handle Fat Buu. the only reason kid buu pushed it back was because goku was out of strength and left the genki dama stationary. Goku has been training since he defeated kid buu so he has improved his ssj3 a lot. And When Goku beat Hirudegarn, it was a plot hole. IMO Gohan would be stronger. Super Buu is just as capable of destroying everything as Kid Buu is. he tried powering back up to full power but was left too tired. - Tien 16:26, August 19, 2011 (UTC). Others follow the Anime. No doubt you've been told dozens of times already but, it never gets said enough. and his over-powered dragon fist technique capable of 1 hit KOing any enemy. Gotenks WOULD NOT beat Goku as he lacks the skill to fight at that level. Super Buu had some good, he spared Hercule and Bee. The Kai's are not a reliable source. Super Saiyan 3 is not a set power level. Dragon Ball … . 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